Audio file OrbitResearchMarch2026ZoomMeeting.mp3 Transcript [Note: This transcript was automatically generated. It will contain transcription errors. Frequent speakers were labeled, while infrequent ones are only identified with numbers.] Robert Carter All right. Hello, everyone. Welcome to this edition of the Orbit Research. This is our March meeting. I think it's still March. My goodness, it seems like it's almost gone. Anyway, my name is Robert. I'm one of the co-hosts for this meeting. Our other co-host is Venkatesh Chari, who is the CEO of Orbit Research. And we typically begin the meeting by asking Venkatesh to unmute yourself, please, and give us an update on what's going on these days with Orbit Research. And I have a funny feeling there's a lot. So when you're ready, Venkatesh, please tell us all about it. Venkatesh Chari Thank you. Thank you, Robert. It's great to be here, as always. Thanks for organizing this. And yes, there is a lot that's been going on. It's been a really busy month for us, as it usually is, March. being the month that CSUN is held in, and we usually have a few announcements that we try to make during this time. So let me start with some updates about our current products, and then I'll also talk about our new announcements. So on the Orbit player, the long-awaited version 2 has been fully released for everyone to download. Last month we talked about a public beta, so that's been completed. We got some feedback, incorporated changes based on that, and so now it's out for everybody. And what that also means is that we would like for everyone to update and use version 2.0. Once we do it, a official release. We don't officially support previous versions. We want everyone to switch over and make use of the benefits of the newer versions. Version an update, which we will call 2.0.1. will be released on the 1st of April. This will have a couple of additions, a voice manager application that will allow you to download and install or remove Google Voices, as well as several international localizations and bug fixes. Version 2.1, which is sort of the next major release, is in development. This has several new features. including hopefully some support for Bard as well. And some nice features coming. I don't want to kind of preempt the announcements, but I think some of the features that we have been waiting for a while will now become available. We don't have a date for this yet, but we're hoping we can do it fairly soon in the coming few weeks. Also on the Orbit Speak, version 2.0 of the software is coming in April, and that'll bring the same features as version 2 does on the player, plus system-wide Braille translation, which we know is something that's been eagerly awaited for quite some time. Once we have 2.0 available on Orbit Speak, we will start making sort of common releases, unified releases. So they'll be made for the Orbit Speak and Orbit Player at pretty much the same time, and they'll be in sync with the features. So there won't be a lag, or at least not a significant lag, from one to the other. We have had some releases on our Braille products as well. There was a release last month for the Arbiter 20 Plus. These are localization updates, a couple of bug fixes, also on the Orbit Slate, where we've added support for some additional languages. There are a couple of other releases in the works. Orbit Writer. There's a new release which adds some additional support for certain voiceover commands and also for the Graffiti Plus. So those are updates on our current shipping products. We, of course, had a very hectic time and a wonderful time actually at CSUN where we announced 4 new products and in two new families of products. And I think folks might have seen the announcements on social media as well as on the mailing list. But to summarize it, and I'm happy to take questions about this later, Robert, but to summarize, we introduced two families, the orbit flow, family and the first member of that is the OrbitFlow 40 is a very compact device which is a Braille reading terminal only. So it doesn't have a keyboard, just has a line of Braille and with panning keys on both sides of the display for navigation as well as thumb keys in the front. And it doesn't have a battery nor Bluetooth, you simply plug it into USB with a USB-C cable, and you can connect it to a computer or a phone, and it just works. So it supports all of the operating systems that our other products support, all the screen readers that our other products support, and it's intended to be a very simple, compact, plug-and-play solution for folks who prefer just a Braille output device. So the concept is very simple. We've tried to make it in a very compact and elegant form factor. It's also our first product that has a metal case. So it's a solid aluminum unibody design that's machined out of aluminum. And it gives it a very very nice and sleek feel to it. That is going to ship, and these are tentative dates. I want to preface what I'm going to say about shipping dates and prizes by the fact that there is a lot of uncertainty globally with the various aspects ranging from geopolitical situation to uncertainty on tariffs and supply chains tightening, et cetera. So some of this may be a little fluid, but our target for the orbit flow is to launch it in the June time frame, be ready to be shipping it in the June time frame. And the price point that we are targeting, and again, I want to re-emphasize that this is a this is a target, is in the $2,500 price range. One really important fact that I want to share about these new product announcements, the Flow and the Strata families, the first Flow product that we have just announced, Flow 40, has ESO cells. And these are our These are our first products with piezo cells. I want to emphasize that this does not imply any kind of shift in our philosophy. We continue to develop and manufacture with the same emphasis, our true braille cells, which are based on our actuator technology, these new products are simply about offering more choices. So over the years, a lot of folks have approached us about having the option of BSL cells on our existing products, and that's essentially what we have tried to do here, to offer options to our user community. So the second family that we launched, or announced rather, was the Strata family. And there we have announced 3 models. These also have piezo cells. And the Strata 40 is essentially the same, has the same functionality and features as the Orbit Reader 40, but with PSO cells. There's a few differences. For instance, you know, it has a set of thumb keys for navigation. The pan keys are a little bit different. So instead of the rocker on the Orbit Reader 40, this has three buttons, three small round buttons on each side, the left and right side of the Braille line. So, but other than that, the features and functions are essentially identical to what we have with Arbitrator 40. Again, the goal being to offer a set of features that people really seem to like, but would like to have the option of piezo cells as well. So that's the Strata 40. And then we introduced to a more feature-rich variant, which we call the Strata 40 Pro. And this is physically exactly the same size and shape externally, but internally it has completely different hardware for the the processing. And the best way to think about it is for those who are familiar with the features of the OrbitSpeak Plus, this is essentially combining those features with the Orbitrator 40 for Braille output. So it's essentially the Strata 40 with the features of the Orbit Speak Plus, which, in brief, include things like library access. So it's got Wi-Fi, I can connect to the internet, download books from the library. It's got the ability to load and play either in audio or in Braille, PDF and docx files. So richer. content in addition to Braille BRF files and text files. So these are intended to be, the Startup Pro family is intended to be multimodal devices which give you audio, so you can play music, you know, speech, so it's got the TTS that we offer on our Orbit Suite Plus and the Orbit Player platforms, and of course Braille output and Braille input. So That's the Strata 40 Pro, very similar in form factor to the Orbiter 40, but a little bit slimmer. And then we have, lastly, the Strata 20 Pro, which has got exactly the same features, but is a 20-cell device. This is, of course, smaller, so left to right, the size is about two-thirds the size of the Strata 40 Pro and Strata 40. So the tentative launch timing to start shipping is in the August time frame for the Strata 40, and for the Strata 40 Pro around November, and for the Strata 20 Pro around December. Price points, again, are not firmly set, but we're targeting for the Strata 20 Pro around $2,200, for the Strata 40 around $2,600, and for the Strata 40 Pro around $2,995, so about $3,000. So a lot of work still remains to be done. We had an amazing response at the CSUN and it was very interesting and very varied. A lot of people came and told us that. They were really glad that we had listened to the voice of the community and offered the choice of piezo cells. They're very excited about the form factor and the simplicity of the Orbit Flow and the capabilities of the Strata 40 Pro and Strata 20 Pro. Others came and told us that they would really like the Pro functionality in a device with our true Braille cells because they really preferred our Braille over Pierce of Braille. And so we've captured all that invaluable input and we're going to do everything possible to try to accommodate those requests as well. And I'd love to hear from our audience today about their thoughts on these products. So I'm pretty sure I'm missing various aspects here, Robert, but I'm sure they will surface in the Q&A part of our session. So with that, I will hand the microphone back to you. Robert Carter All right, excellent. Wow, some exciting new Braille products. This is really the year of advancements in Braille, I think, because there's so much is happening in this space right now and it's amazing. They used to say Braille was dead, Venkatesh, but I kind of don't think so. Venkatesh Chari That's right, that's right. Robert Carter Yeah, and I'm really, really glad about that. So Pat, you have your hand raised first. Please unmute yourself and go ahead with your question or comment. Speaker 3 Okay, I'm interested in the, if you can give the names of the two types of Braille cells and how they act differently under the fingers and so on. Venkatesh Chari Sure, so our Braille cells are... We are named True Braille, and that's our trade name for them. The technology, the actuator technology that we have developed and patented that is used in ourselves is called the Tactuator. And so these are are very rigid, the pins are rigid, so as soon as they refresh, so first they refresh with a good amount of force, so even if your finger is there, it'll push your finger up. Obviously, you can press down so hard that it can't, but for in normal use, it will nicely press your finger up, so you'll be able to feel the dots rise under your fingers. And once they are raised up, they are not squishy. So they are very firm. They're also pretty tall. So they're almost a millimeter in height. And they're very nicely rounded. So you get firmness and a very high level of tactile contrast. So it's very easy to discern. So especially for new learners of Braille, and also for folks who might have some neuropathy or loss of sensation in the fingers, our Braille, because of the height of the pin and the rigidity, works really, really well. So many folks who have used Piezo in the past and have tried ours really seem to like it. Our cells, when they're refreshed, they do make a little bit of sound. Let's say, It's a fairly low purring kind of sound where for about half a second as the display refreshes, you hear this sound. For certain environments, this could be challenging. So in a studio, for instance, if somebody's doing a recording, that noise may not be something that they can work with. Piezo cells use a completely different technology. are the ones that you have seen for the past almost 5 decades now. And they are the ones that are used by a lot of the, by pretty much all the other companies in the field today that have had braille products out for a while. These are, they are, they don't, they don't make much sound. They make a very, very slight sound, but the sound is extremely low. But the pins are squishy. So when the pins are raised, if you press down with your finger with a little bit of force, they tend to squish down. They're also not quite as proud, as tall as the pins on our Braille, on our true Braille devices. So that's the main difference. Also, there is actually one other difference where the our true Braille sort of refreshes sequentially. So it starts, it reacts instantly, but it updates, it refreshes from left to right. So, but in half a second, the entire display is refreshed. The peers of cells refresh all simultaneously. So for certain use cases, there is, some people notice a lag in the refresh time, if their finger is toward the right end of the display, it might take, a few fractions of a second for it to refresh. So, those are the main differences, the feel under the fingers. Ours are have been likened to signature to a signage quality Braille, and you know what people tell us is that it's the best quality Braille that you can get today, refreshable Braille. Speaker 3 A follow-up question would be your piezo cells, would they be, and I'm sorry to bring another product into this, but would they be, but I'm familiar with it, the Forty Blue, that's yeah, but are they similar to that? Venkatesh Chari They are, they are, they are somewhat similar. Yeah, it is, it is the same technology. The Focus 40, you know, the cells are made by a different manufacturer. Our cells come from from KGS, which is a Japanese company that is well known as the foremost supplier of the PSO cells in the world today. Speaker 3 Yeah, the only reason I was asking that, and I'll end with this, the only reason I was asking that is because of the fact that I wanted to compare it. to something else. And so that's the reason that I was asked in order to know what they might feel like under my fingers. Thanks. Venkatesh Chari Right, sure. Yeah. So if you look at, you know, some of the existing products from, you know, the Humanware or HEMS, you know, you'll get an idea of the feel of the Braille that you can expect. Robert Carter Yeah, they all use the same cells that Orbit is using, at least the Selvis products and the Humanware products do. Okay, thank you, Pat. Thanks for that great question. Brandon, please unmute yourself and go ahead when you're ready, sir. Speaker 4 Can you guys hear me okay? Robert Carter Yeah, go ahead. Speaker 4 Okay, I got three questions. Two about the strata and one about the Orbit speak. I heard the Strata is running Android 14, will that be coming to the speak or at least features of what the Strata has coming to the speak orbit speak? Venkatesh Chari Yeah, so that's a great question, Brandon. Thanks. To answer your second question, yes, in terms of features, there'll be parity between the different products that are based on this platform. So even though, yes, the Strata will be running Android 14, the Android 14 will not come yet to the orbit speak, but in terms of the features that you get, they will be pretty much in sync. Speaker 4 Also, will there be an orbit or a strata with the orbit cells or is it only the piezo cells? Venkatesh Chari That's a great question. Yeah, that's a great question. So at some point, that is part of our plan. there's each of these products involves A considerable amount of development work. So we're taking it one step at a time. But yes, that is the plan. Speaker 4 And my final question, at least this time, when the orbit speak update does come out. Will there be a beta for that too or will it just go straight into release? Venkatesh Chari We will very likely have a beta. Speaker 4 Nice. Venkatesh Chari Beta. Yeah. So yeah, as we as we come closer to that, you know, we'll definitely be making some announcement. Speaker 4 Oh, any other text to speech stuff yet regarding voices? Venkatesh Chari Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. Speaker 4 I know you've been very. Venkatesh Chari Interested in that, and I don't have any concrete information yet, but it is something that we do have development nearly complete on a couple of them. We're trying to figure out what's the best way to offer them. And as you can imagine, some of these are provided to us under license. And so we're trying to figure out, what's a good way to offer them. And obviously, since they're under license and there's a charge involved, how do we manage that in the best possible way and whether there is a strong enough demand for those because, not only is it a development thing, but also there is a support and maintenance and sort of just administering that. There's this effort involved there. So we're trying to work out those kinds of issues right now. Robert Carter All right. Well, thank you, Brandon. Nice to have you here. I appreciate your questions. Anthony, if you would please unmute yourself and go ahead when you're ready. Speaker 5 Hello, everybody. Yeah, couple of. questions. The library feature of the video, the new audio player on the play, how does it work out? I have 11,600 tracks which are split into folders like you've got A and in that is ABBA and in each in the ABBA folder is each ABBA album. And it goes like that all the way through. I also have a folder in V called Various Artists, which has various artists LPs. But it's telling me I've got 2600 albums, sorry, artists, which I haven't. So I just wondered how it sort of worked everything out because it doesn't seem to be terribly accurate always. My next question was, I remember back in the past, I have an Orbit Reader 40 and I remember you saying that you might be producing a more sort of capable board for it. because I don't particularly want to buy another 40 cell Braille display, but I wouldn't mind having the option of upgrading the Orbit 40 to the thing you were talking about, which was a bit more like the Orbit speak with Braille. Venkatesh Chari Right, Great questions, Anthony. Thank you. So to to take your second question first. So, exactly, that is the intent that we would, when we, as we develop the Strata Pro Series, the goal is to then be able to bring the same features and the same kind of what it can be, exactly the same board, but a similar type of board to the Orbit Reader family as well. This has been actually the plan for a very long time, and I think that's what you're alluding to, Anthony. So, yes, that is the intent, so that, yeah, you can, you know, you don't have to buy a new Vorticel display. You can leverage the Braille and, you know, other components of the current model, and then we could do a board upgrade. So this is something that, you know, we are going to be working on. I can't really project a time frame at this time. There's lots of factors that are contributing to uncertainty, but it is definitely something that we intend to develop. And that upgradability is a really important part of our goals here. So we'll definitely be keeping that in mind. We want to be able to upgrade products that are already in the field, and we're going to try really hard. It's possible that we may not be successful, but we're going to try our hardest. And that has been what we have done in the past as well for the Orbitrator 20, going to the 20 plus. We wish to continue to do that. To your first question about Why is it being inaccurate about the number of artists? That's a very curious one, and I must say that I haven't encountered that before. So let me look into that. I'll ask our team to dig a little deeper into it and try to emulate what you have. If you wouldn't mind, over e-mail, sharing a little more detail about... Yeah, certainly. Speaker 5 I'll tell you I've got all the folders organized and things. Venkatesh Chari Great. That'd be wonderful because yeah, we'd definitely like to check it out. It's possible that somehow the algorithm is miscomputing. Could be something to do with the metadata of the files. I'm not exactly sure. So let's definitely talk about that. Adi Kushnir Can I comment on that for a second? Venkatesh Chari Sure, surely. Adi Kushnir Hello, everyone. I wanted to comment actually on a few things, if possible. So regarding your question, Anthony, about the metadata, so the, not the metadata, the music library. So yes, with the new version, we do work in a similar way to other players by looking at the metadata of the file. Now usually, depends on where you get your MP3s from, the metadata may or may not be correct. So. Speaker 5 Right. I mean, I usually rip the CDs. Adi Kushnir Yeah. So for example, if even if it's like the same artist, but in some cases typed with, different punctuation marks or anything else, or in many cases it says, I don't know, unknown, unknown or something else. Basically, if the metadata is not identical to one another, it might think that it's an additional artist. At the same time, as Venkatesh said, it would be helpful if you can share some examples and including the actual files, if you don't mind sharing a few, so that I can look at them and see if we are doing something incorrect with the metadata or simply because of the metadata being different, it calculates it. as such. So it's going to be a good thing to investigate. And if we're talking about that, we have received several requests from users throughout the 2.0 public beta program that in addition to the library approach, many folks also want the ability to just open a folder in addition without adding it to the library and relying on just on the file name and the info provided. So basically to have both options. So we are now in process of adding that second option. So for now, of course, it scans. for all the music. And if you want to add a folder to the library, when you open a folder from the player, it adds it to the library. But we will also implement a feature that just opens a folder of files without adding it to the library. So of course, you can do it now from the file manager. But we will add that ability to the media player itself. Speaker 5 I mean, I just wish it could sort of, instead of getting the data from the files, it could get the like album data and the artist data from the folders. So, if you got a folder called ABBA, it. Adi Kushnir Didn't, Yeah, so we in version one, we had only that approach where it was sort of a file manager based. system. In version two, we switched to a library system because due to popular demand and playlists and so forth and so on. But we, in 2.1, we will have both ways. Okay. So you'll be able to choose what you want, if you wanted file folder based without any interpretation or with a library based structure. And in addition, We've also, we are also adding the option for the player to start in the last played file after a device restart instead of the library list. Same for the book reader. We had many requests from folks to allow to decide, to allow us to decide what mode the player starts to. instead of always going back to the home screen. So you'll even be able to decide, okay, I want that every time the device turns on, it'll go to the last played file or the last played book automatically. And not just when waking up from sleep. So I am these. Speaker 5 Could I bring up very quickly something else? If I use. Adi Kushnir That's up to the meeting. Robert Carter Anthony, we got several people with their hands raised. I apologize to be rushing you a bit, but I'm going to need to move forward here pretty quickly. Adi Kushnir Sorry, Robert, just one last thing before, if possible. I wanted to make a short personal apology. There are some folks even on this call and others who are trying to reach me either via tech support or directly and due to, as Venkatesh said, some geopolitical conditions, it might take me some time to respond more than usual. So just know that if for some reason you reach me either directly or tech support refers you to me for addressing a particular topic or you reached me for more info, Your request is received and I am doing the best I can to respond to each and every one of you. It might just take some time due to these current conditions. So I would like to apologize about that. Robert Carter Yeah, thank you, Adi. And stay safe if you can. I mean, you're doing the best you can, I think. Adi Kushnir I'm trying. I just, it's important, you know, for me to provide a good, for all of us, to provide a good customer experience. And I, since we have this platform, you know, I don't want people to be upset. Oh, we're trying to reach, you know, Adi and for a few days. Robert Carter Sure. Adi Kushnir There's no answer. So I am receiving each and every e-mail. In fact, as you heard in this call, we are processing feedback, and we're incorporating changes as a result of that feedback. So this work is always ongoing. Just response times, and particularly from my side, can be a little slower. So I apologize for that. Robert Carter Yeah, thank you for that. And thank you for updating us all on that. Ken, you have had your hand raised for a while on your iPhone. Please unmute yourself and go ahead when you're ready. Speaker 7 Okay. So I'm glad that Audie addressed something that, I mean, I know that I was having a problem with the orbit speak with the raise to wake feature that you guys disabled in the communication error. I mean, I'm just going to wait till someone responds. Like Audie said, I'm just going to wait. And another thing I wanted to ask is, do you know what the storage would be like on the Strana 20 or 40 Pro? Venkatesh Chari Yeah, so it's going to be very similar to what we have currently. So we'll have about 32 gigabytes of storage on board, of which roughly over 20 gigabytes should be available for user data. And then, of course, we'll have the full-sized SD card slot, which will support up to two terabytes of storage or card. Speaker 7 All right. Would there be like any full-sized USB-A ports or no? Venkatesh Chari So on the Strata 40 and 20, we will have USB-C ports. So you'll be able to plug in a a USB flash drive through those ports. Speaker 7 Oh, okay. Venkatesh Chari Also, as for your first question, yeah, sorry, go ahead, Adi. Adi Kushnir I think you were going to reply because this case is open with me at the moment. So as for your first question, you'll be hearing from us very shortly. I can, because I'm not sure if I'll be able to assist directly myself. But I scheduled already someone from our software team to address the issue for you. And you'll hear from us in the next, I mean, tomorrow somebody will contact you for assistance. So I will get this sorted out for you. Your request has been sent to me. via tech support and it has been escalated. So we'll get you up and running. Robert Carter Okay, thank you. All right, excellent. Wow, sounds like good work going on here. Thank you, Ken. Rebecca, please unmute yourself and go ahead when you're ready. Speaker 8 Hi, can you hear me? Robert Carter Yep, you're good. Venkatesh Chari Yes. Speaker 8 Oh, thank you. I just want to know if there's any more updates on the Optima. I know everyone's busy with a lot of new products and everything going on. globally, but I just wonder if there's any more updates. Particularly, I heard something about that you may offer a choice with or without a Braille display, considering I have an Orbit Reader 40 and 20 that I love already. So I'm just curious about anything going on with that you can share. Venkatesh Chari Yeah, sure, Actually, yeah, there was a lot of interest at season as well on the Optima. And we were actually showing a a new prototype of the Optima with Piezo cells. So as we have discussed in the past, we are planning to have a choice that we offer in terms of the type of Braille cells as well. So the models we have shown so far were with our true Braille cells, but this time we were also showing one with Piezo cells. So the form factor again is slightly different. It's a little bit longer from front to back and a little bit thinner in its height. The width is exactly the same and the rest of the features remain exactly the same, you know, the thumb keys and the navi, the panning keys, et cetera. So work is progressing on the Optima. You know, there's been a lot of effort that has gone into creating this, the Piezo variant. We don't have a launch date yet. We are very hopeful that with the progress that we have been able to make, we would be able to have something to launch in about a year from now. Our hope is to have it at season time next week, sorry, next year, I wish it was next week. But there are many, many factors involved in this and What I'd like to emphasize is that it's something that is very, very dear to us in terms of the mission that it's aiming to serve. And we are continuing our efforts. Efforts have not diminished. It's a project that is a lot more complex and therefore a lot more expensive. And it's the funding aspect of the project that has taken much longer than we expected. And unfortunately, the geopolitical situation has had a very direct and rather severe impact on that. So that said, we are by no means reducing our emphasis on this, continuing our efforts. And in terms of variance that we will offer, Rebecca, We do plan to offer a number of different variants, so not only the type of cells, but also in the size, whether it's 20 cells or 40 cells. Of course, in the laptop components, the type of processors, storage, et cetera. As you know, it runs Windows, so it'll always be shipped with the latest update of Windows. Whether we will have a model that does not have a Braille display, it is definitely something that we are considering. It's, there are several other variants also that come into the picture, such as a model with a Perkins-style Braille keyboard instead of the QWERTY, which is what we are currently demonstrating. So definitely, Rebecca, it is something that we do have in mind. Speaker 8 Okay, thank you very much. Robert Carter Right, thank you, Rebecca. Alexandra, please unmute and go ahead when you're ready. Venkatesh Chari Hey, everybody, this is Alex. I've got, I would say, a quick question on the differences between Piezo versus Tact, sorry if I got it right. I was just curious, do you have any idea on whether one would be more reliable and durable than another, or is this something to be basically discovered or found out over time? Thank you. Well, that's a great question. So, and I mean, it's a really important one. So, what I can tell you is that the On both the cells, reliability, on both the types of cells, reliability is pretty much the foremost thing in our minds. We want to offer parts that are durable, reliable, and consistent. That said, there are differences in the two technologies. Ours, our true Braille cells are relatively still very new, even though they have been now in the market for almost 10 years, believe it or not. The piezo cells have been on the market for close to 50 years. Our Braille cells have come a long, way since the early days when we first introduced them. We definitely had feeding troubles at that time. There were reliability issues. And we still hear a lot of echoes of those initial troubles, you know, from the community, you know, people who had difficult experiences initially. And then, you know, we have done a lot of work in these last 10 years So at this point in time, I can say with a very high degree of confidence that our cells are extremely reliable. They're far, far, far more reliable than the early days or even, going back, three years ago. And it's a process of continuous improvement for us. You know, we're the only company in this industry that develops and manufactures our own Braille cells and our own products based on those Braille cells. everything is done in-house and it's our own patented technology. So we, as a result, we are able to achieve many different things, one of them being continuous incremental improvements as well as sort of larger improvements, as we develop newer generations of technology. but the incremental improvement is a continuous process for us. So I can say in short that our cells have a very high degree of reliability. As far as PSO cells are concerned, the cells we are procuring are from KGS, which is recognized as the sort of gold standard of PSO cells. And they have a very good reputation for quality and reliability. That said, even with piezo cells, failures do happen. And before failure modes can be different. For instance, piezo cells sometimes suffer from sort of fading, where the cells don't, the pins don't come up all the way, or they are sort of softer, so they don't give you enough of a tactile feel. So those kinds of challenges can be there in the piece of technology as well. I think we are very confident that partnering with the foremost supplier, I think we have a high degree of confidence that we'll be able to offer a highly reliable product to our customers. Robert Carter All right. Buddy, you have your hand raised. Please unmute and go ahead, sir. Speaker 9 Hello there. I just have one question about the internet radio tuner. I see in 2.0 there is an option to import radio stations. I still have a list of favorites on my Orbit speak. And I'm just wondering if it's going to be possible to export those to something so that I can put them on my Orbit player as well. I think that's really the only question I have that would be for this discussion. But any Any enlightenment on that? Venkatesh Chari Sure. Thanks. Thanks, buddy. Yeah, you want to take that? Adi Kushnir Yeah, so basically in version one of the Orbit Speak software, buddy, we do not have, as you know, import-export capabilities. Same thing was with the player up until version two. So it will only be possible to do after upgrading to version two. We are investigating ways to make the transition on Orbit speak a bit smoother. For example, on the Orbit players, you know, and folks know if they read, if you guys read the release announcements and the release notes, but some of the data was lost during migration, like bookmarks and radio favorites and so on due to the very different architecture. So we are working on trying to smooth this out for OrbitSpeak so that at least your data can go with you. And then from there, you'll be able to export and put it on the player, if it makes sense. But at this particular point of time today, it's not possible. to export, but it will be after the V2 release. All right. Speaker 9 Great. Thanks. Adi Kushnir Yes, everybody. And we look forward to, you know, connecting with you as always. And thank you. Robert Carter Thank you, Adi as well. Rhonda, please unmute and go ahead when you're ready. Speaker 9 Good afternoon. Are you able to hear me okay? Robert Carter Yeah, you're good. Go ahead. Speaker 9 Okay. All right. Thank you. I just had a question about the subsidy program that came out in the Orbit Research notification. I just want to know some more information about it and what's the process and who's canvas. Venkatesh Chari Yeah, actually, thank you very much, Rhonda, for bringing that up. I was going to I'm going to bring it up in the initial part of this meeting, but I missed it, so thanks. So yeah, we actually made a very, very important announcement at CSUN two weeks ago. We have had a partnership with an organization known as the Voice of Specially Abled People. And this is in California, LA-based nonprofit that has the mission of providing many different types of things, but including assistive technology products to folks with disabilities. They've been running these programs for many years now with a fairly large deployment in India where there are, I think there are 10s of thousands of beneficiaries of their programs. And they also have been running it for people who are hard of hearing in the US. So there's a number of different ways in which they do this, including providing devices, scholarships, et cetera. So we've been running a program in India for a couple of years now with a lot of success. And through the program, the folks are able, just meant for individuals, and they're able to get our products, some of our products, at a very subsidized price. So we decided that it would be good to expand this program to the US as well. And that's what we announced this past ESTN. So through this program, people can, who are qualified and the qualification criteria are fairly simple. There is a website that you go into, you basically fill out your name and e-mail address and it tells you what the qualification criteria are, but basically there is you submit a proof of disability and a declaration that the income level is at a certain threshold, at or below a certain threshold. And that's about it. And then the... basically the subsidized price that you can get for these products are as follows. The Orbitrator 20, which is priced regular at $799, is now, for the first time after almost 8 years, is available for less than $500 for $499, which is absolutely amazing. So So that's one product that's available. The other product is the Orbit Grid 20 Plus, which has a regular price of $8.99. That's available for $5.99. So there's a $300 difference in the price. And the Orbit Player, whose regular price is $2.99, is available also through this program for $199. So it's a really great program and I would really appreciate if folks can spread the word among the community. I will share the link to this as well. And maybe I should do that right now, Robert. The link is, it's a little long, but not too long. It's www.voiceofsap. So that's one word. VOICEOFSAP.org/applydevices. So APPLYDEVICES. Robert Carter And for folks who might need it again, that will of course be in the recording of the meeting, which Richard will post almost as soon as I send it to him, which should be later on this afternoon. Dwayne, you have your hand raised? Please go ahead, Dwayne, unmute and go ahead with your comment or question. Dwayne, are you still there? Please unmute and go ahead. Okay, not hearing Dwayne at this time. Anthony, you have another question, I believe. Go ahead and unmute and go ahead if you're ready, sir. Speaker 5 Yes, can you hear me? Robert Carter Yes. Speaker 5 Right, the Orbit player, I tend to listen to it at night when I'm sort of in bed falling asleep. And it's a pain having to go through the menus to set the sleep timer. Is there any chance of sort of doing what other players do and give us like one of the unused keys like the five key and just you press it and it just says 5, 10, 15, you know, every time you press it to just set a quick sleep timer. So if you're listening to a book, you know, you've got a quick way of doing it. Venkatesh Chari That's a great suggestion, Anthony. I don't see why we can't do that. I think technically it's definitely feasible. And I think that's a wonderful suggestion, Anthony. I will take it back to the team and we'll see how we can get that implemented quickly. Speaker 5 Okay, many thanks. Robert Carter All right. Let's see. Dwayne, one more time. Can you unmute if you're still wanting to ask a question? All right, not hearing anything. And wow, what a jam-packed meeting we've had today with all kinds of interesting conversations. Thank you, everybody, for being here. Venkatesh, any final thoughts, comments, anything from you? Venkatesh Chari I would just like to thank you, Robert, for organizing this and for everyone for joining and making this such a wonderful and lively conversation. You know, I'm really excited about these new products and I want to thank everyone for their support. I know information has been potentially a little confusing about what these new products are, so I'm glad we had all these questions today. We will be sharing a set of FAQs about these over the next few days. We'll post it on the list. We'll also post them on our website. And one final request to everybody, please spread the word about the subsidy scheme. Robert Carter All right, fantastic, because I know it's so important for people to find ways to afford all of these products. Thank you, everybody. We will see you in April. But in the meantime, so long for now.